Alessandra Soler-Meetze: Change is a Long-Term Process
By Eduardo Barraza December 2, 2010 | Third Part | First Part | Second Part
In Arizona's civil liberties arena, the
ACLU of Arizona is heavily involved in
legal actions against a variety of
social issues. Alessandra
Soler-Meetze is pictured above
during a press conference regarding
a lawsuit against SB 1070 in 2010.
Photo by Eduardo Barraza | Barriozona
ACLU of Arizona is heavily involved in
legal actions against a variety of
social issues. Alessandra
Soler-Meetze is pictured above
during a press conference regarding
a lawsuit against SB 1070 in 2010.
Photo by Eduardo Barraza | Barriozona
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This is the third part of an interview with Alessandra Soler-Meetze, Director
of the ACLU of Arizona. Read the first part. Read the second part.
Phoenix, Arizona. According to Alessandra Soler-Meetze, Executive
Director, as an organization the American Civil Liberties Union of
Arizona faces not only the day-to-day challenges of dealing with
difficult issues as they come, but with the need to prioritize them as
well as assemble a continuing vision to achieve the long-term work
she knows is needed for real, far-reaching change.
From her office in Phoenix, the woman who started out as journalist
concerned with creating social change beyond reporting news,
outlines how the ACLU of Arizona organizational strategies are
balanced with the variety of issues that come to her desk.
“I think one thing that we have been trying to focus on as an
organization is to really establish a set of programmatic priorities,
and figure out how we are going to make that long-term impact in
the state and really try to change politics over a long-term basis,"
said Soler-Meetze to Barriozona Magazine. "Some of our
programmatic priorities include obviously the immigrant’s rights
issues; ending the racial profiling through targeted litigation;
ultimately, our goal is trying to get some sort of data collection bill
out of the State Legislature. We think that that’s really, really
important, that in order for police departments to defend themselves
against racial profiling, that they should keep track of the data; they
should keep track of who they stop, how long these individuals are
stopped; and the type of information we get from DPS (Arizona
Department of Public Safety) –and the only reason we were able to
get that from them is because we sued them, and is part of the
settlement agreement.
"In addition to the immigrant issues, we’ve been working in the crisis
that I would use in describing this whole prison pipeline of concern,
where you have predominantly children of color that are being
funneled from the school system into the prison system; a lot of
times for things like behavioral issues, the rates of suspension
exposing for children of color, especially Latinos, is very, very high
that we’re starting to look into that in a more systemic way to look at
which school districts have higher rates of exposed rates of children
of color.
"We also think that’s important to re-enfranchise people and give
them the ability to vote; we have been working in re-enfranchising
people who have felony convictions to eliminate Arizona’s felon
voting ban. That is also another of our programmatic priorities. We
(Arizona) have one of the worst felon voting bans in the country;
most other states in the country, forty other states in the country will
automatically renew your voting rights when you have completed
your sentence. Not just the (United) States but most countries in the
world will automatically renew your voting rights when you have
completed your prison sentence –not Arizona. In Arizona there’s a
very complicated set of rules that require you to, in many cases, go
before a judge, ask the judge for permission, and I think what we’ve
been trying to do is, through workshops, to help people regain their
voting rights and ultimately try to see if we get some administrative
changes or some legislative changes to that. And that’s obviously
something that takes many, many years, but I think that that is one
of our strategic priorities to eliminate that felon voting ban.
"Prison conditions is something that we have been litigating for quite
some time to improve the prison conditions in the Maricopa County
jail systems, and (we) are seen some improvements as a result of
that; so that’s one of our areas that we do target as one of our
programmatic priorities, is improving conditions of confinement, and
now rather than just looking at improving conditions –which is really
trying to fix the problem sort at the back end, right?– is that once
people are in the system we want to make sure that at least they’re
treated humanely. We are trying now to look at it from the front end,
just try to look at why even though we are seeing a decline in
incarceration rates in most states in the country, why we haven’t
seen that in Arizona, why is Arizona continuing to incarcerate mostly
non-violent drug offenders in our jail and prison systems. So we’re
going to be launching an effort to look at reducing those
incarcerations numbers, because it’s just not sustainable here in
Arizona. We cannot continue, we cannot afford it! We cannot afford
to continue jailing non-violent drug offenders at the levels that we’re
doing now. I think that at some point the legislature, regardless of
what political party, they’re going to have to look at that, to take a
serious look at that, and doing something concrete to help reduce
those incarcerations numbers.
"Youth and First Amendment Rights are other programmatic
priorities. We’ve been working on with a lot of kids, just educating
them about their rights, and it is really important for our organization
to help reach out to young people, tell them about our organization
and really build that next generation of civil libertarians. A lot of
people think of the ACLU as their grandfather’s organization, and we
are trying to kind of dispel that myth and try to recruit more young
people to take the baton and run with it. A lot of the work that we
have been doing in that area certainly this year has been helping
students form gay-straight alliances, helping students who have
been discriminated against at school because they’re gay.
"We just launched a couple of months ago a project that we’re
looking at the policies and practices of the jails in Arizona as they
relate to (inmate) pregnant women to make sure pregnant women
are getting the care that they need in these jails systems, and that
they’re not being shackled during labor. I think we all know that
(Maricopa County Sheriff) Arpaio has publicly stated it that he feels is
perfectly appropriate for him and his jail officials to shackle (inmate)
women during labor. We think that that’s inhumane; we think that is
unconstitutional, a violation of the Eight Amendment, and we are
going to be working with the legislature to try to pass a law that
bans the shackling of pregnant women during labor. As a precursor
of that we’ve been trying to get some information about how the
other prisons handle that, because the irony is that the (Arizona)
Department of Corrections actually have a good policy that prohibits
the shackling of pregnant women during labor, so they got a great
policy so what we’re trying to do now is see if we can extend that
policy, make sure that policy applies to the jails, because Arpaio has
been really inconsistent on these issues. One day he says one thing,
'no, I’m not shackling,' the next day he says, 'I’m shackling.' We have
a really hard time getting a straight answer from him. I think that he
should be held accountable; the legislature should take steps to
prevent shackling pregnant women during labor; that’s a basic
human right and it’s unconceivable that he’s doing that, and he’s
trying to justify that as a security risk. Which is to me (laughter…);
any woman who has been in labor knows that there’s absolutely no
way that you are going to be trying to run off in the middle of
laboring. So I think that it is terrific, and here you have somebody
who pretends like he is to be so concerned about the rights of the
unborn, yet here he is jeopardizing the rights of mother and that
unborn child because there is a huge… it is medical risk as well, to
have these women shackled in the middle of labor. What if there’s an
emergency and that doctor needs to transfer that woman to an
operating room and she’s shackled?"
Cases Againts the Maricopa County Sheriff Office
In Arizona, and particularly in Maricopa County, working in the area
of civil liberties advocacy inevitably means a head-on confrontation
with the self-proclaimed "America's Toughest Sheriff," Joe Arpaio, and
the more than controversial policies of his department. And so the
ACLU of Arizona and the MCSO are engaged in a legal multi-fight with
no end in sight.
"(Sheriff Arpaio) claims he’s not accountable to anybody except for
the people; that’s what he says. Arpaio is not above the law
although he’s been acting that way for the past 14 years. That’s
what is so frustrating with Arpaio; Arpaio thinks he can pick and
choose which laws to abide by, right? He thinks, I don’t like this one
so I’m going to spend millions and millions and millions of taxpayers’
dollars challenging court’s decisions that basically just make me
follow the law. When we get a court decision as we did in 2008
where a federal judge says (to Arpaio): “You are violating the
constitutional rights of pre-trial detainees in your jails –that’s what
the judge said– in all kinds of areas,” then Arpaio says, “well, I don’t
agree,” I mean, continue to violate the law, continue to spend
taxpayer’s dollars challenging that. And so that was 2008; we’re
now in 2010; he has been appealing that decision for two years and
that’s money (spent in the trial) that’s coming out of our pockets.
Rather than doing the right thing, rather than saying let’s try to fix
this, let’s try to make sure that these prisoners or these pre-trial
detainees have medical care, have the medical care that they’re
legally entitled to, are not packed like sardines into these conditions.
Rather than doing that, he just continues to challenge the (court)
decisions. That’s what has been so frustrating to us. We’re a non-
profit organization; I can’t afford to file a lawsuit that we can’t win.
We know that when we file these lawsuits that we have the law on
our side; that’s certainly in the case of SB1070. Most of the lawsuits
that we file we do win, because I cannot afford to continue to file
lawsuits that I don’t think we are going to win, and that’s what
happens with Arpaio is that all the cases take many, many years to
resolve; ultimately we always secure a win.
"What has been frustrating is that here you have somebody that is
completely –sometimes just even belligerent– to the point where he
just ignores the Constitution, ignores the law, does it in a way that
benefits his own political campaign he’s pandering, and he’s really a
huge tax liability for taxpayers of Maricopa County. I think that at
some point we are going to realize, my goodness, this guy is not
only a liability but here he is misspending taxpayer dollars in the
millions. Ultimately, that is either through the U.S. Department of
Justice or ultimately somebody is going to have to follow the money,
somebody is going to have to follow the trail to figure out how is he
or is he not misspending taxpayers’ dollars. That’s enough evidence
out there in the public record –certainly most recent 80 million
dollars– that was misspent. That’s a problem that I think at some
point either the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors or the
Department of Justice, or somebody is going to have to hold him
accountable. This is something that I get a lot; people say, my
goodness how many cases –we have seven cases against Arpaio:
he is the defendant in Prop 100; he is the defendant in SB1070; we
have a lawsuit on behalf of the Muslim woman (Eman Mabrouk) who
was prohibited from wearing her scarf in jail; we have the prison
conditions lawsuit; an abortion lawsuit where he refuses to
transport women who are seeking abortions; a racial profiling
lawsuit –that’s a big one– where he’s being sued. We are suing him
on behalf of drivers for racially profiling them in these crime
suppression sweeps; and the last one, on behalf of the Mora’s
where he basically profiled father and son (Julian and Julio) and
transported them to the site of worksite raids; that’s seven lawsuits.
People think, my goodness, you have seven lawsuits. Why is he still
in business? How is that? We haven’t done this, we haven’t had the
capacity or the resources, but I’d love to just have one person of my
staff just compile all the records and data to find out just how much
money he has spent appealing and fighting these cases, because I
think taxpayers should definitely know that and all that but, again,
litigation takes very, very long time, and if we can avoid it, we try to
do that at all cost; we would have loved to be able to have
successfully stopped SB1070 at the legislature but… that’s always
much easier and much cheaper in the long run, right?, than having to
fight it in a courtroom but many, many of the social wrongs in our
nation’s history have been addressed and have been corrected in
the courtroom. That’s what we have in this country. Where our
government legalizes segregation and then takes years, but
ultimately the courts do, in most cases, rule the right way."
The Fight in the Streets
In putting in perspective the complex and complicated work in the
legal arena, Soler-Meetze believes the struggle other organizations
fight in the streets by means of organizing marches and protests
against some of the same issues the ACLU addresses through
litigation is also necessary.
"I think these things happen in a vacuum (and) you have to look at
them in a holistic way. I think that many times litigation is not the
best option, that’s why there is a very important role in organizing or
mobilizing, I think that much of the backslash, the national backlash
that we saw after SB 1070, when you had thousands of students
protesting out in the street, an organized effort to boycott the state
of Arizona, that really is sending a message to the nation that, look,
we are not okay with this; this isn't what Arizona is about. I think
that was really, really important, and again, we have to do it in an
integrated way, and I think this is something that is we still struggle
with, we have to figure out how do we integrate our legal work,
which is basically our largest department, right?, how we do
integrate that work with outreach, public education, and
communications. But I think there is a very important role marches
and the rallies have; it really energizes people. I think it does send a
message to elected officials that this is not what we are about,
hoping that that energy is translated into votes right? I think there’s
a lot of great work going on now, and it’s very targeted, very
strategic where we now are trying to recruit and register Latinos and
think there’s some estimates upwards of like 13 thousand people. I
think that’s the only way that we’re going to gain that voice that we
need in the legislature, and in Congress is to vote out those people
we don’t agree with and to vote. You know, it sounds so trivial and it
sounds so basic and simple but we need the numbers and I think
that once we empower ourselves like all these 18-year-olds they
need to be going out and voting and working at the polls and that’s
not an easy task, I don’t think anybody thinks that is something that
can happen overnight but I think this is the beginning, when we’re
really focusing on registering more Latinos and eventually this is a
long-term process and as we see the numbers increase hopefully so
will the policies, the policies that share our values will also increase."
of the ACLU of Arizona. Read the first part. Read the second part.
Phoenix, Arizona. According to Alessandra Soler-Meetze, Executive
Director, as an organization the American Civil Liberties Union of
Arizona faces not only the day-to-day challenges of dealing with
difficult issues as they come, but with the need to prioritize them as
well as assemble a continuing vision to achieve the long-term work
she knows is needed for real, far-reaching change.
From her office in Phoenix, the woman who started out as journalist
concerned with creating social change beyond reporting news,
outlines how the ACLU of Arizona organizational strategies are
balanced with the variety of issues that come to her desk.
“I think one thing that we have been trying to focus on as an
organization is to really establish a set of programmatic priorities,
and figure out how we are going to make that long-term impact in
the state and really try to change politics over a long-term basis,"
said Soler-Meetze to Barriozona Magazine. "Some of our
programmatic priorities include obviously the immigrant’s rights
issues; ending the racial profiling through targeted litigation;
ultimately, our goal is trying to get some sort of data collection bill
out of the State Legislature. We think that that’s really, really
important, that in order for police departments to defend themselves
against racial profiling, that they should keep track of the data; they
should keep track of who they stop, how long these individuals are
stopped; and the type of information we get from DPS (Arizona
Department of Public Safety) –and the only reason we were able to
get that from them is because we sued them, and is part of the
settlement agreement.
"In addition to the immigrant issues, we’ve been working in the crisis
that I would use in describing this whole prison pipeline of concern,
where you have predominantly children of color that are being
funneled from the school system into the prison system; a lot of
times for things like behavioral issues, the rates of suspension
exposing for children of color, especially Latinos, is very, very high
that we’re starting to look into that in a more systemic way to look at
which school districts have higher rates of exposed rates of children
of color.
"We also think that’s important to re-enfranchise people and give
them the ability to vote; we have been working in re-enfranchising
people who have felony convictions to eliminate Arizona’s felon
voting ban. That is also another of our programmatic priorities. We
(Arizona) have one of the worst felon voting bans in the country;
most other states in the country, forty other states in the country will
automatically renew your voting rights when you have completed
your sentence. Not just the (United) States but most countries in the
world will automatically renew your voting rights when you have
completed your prison sentence –not Arizona. In Arizona there’s a
very complicated set of rules that require you to, in many cases, go
before a judge, ask the judge for permission, and I think what we’ve
been trying to do is, through workshops, to help people regain their
voting rights and ultimately try to see if we get some administrative
changes or some legislative changes to that. And that’s obviously
something that takes many, many years, but I think that that is one
of our strategic priorities to eliminate that felon voting ban.
"Prison conditions is something that we have been litigating for quite
some time to improve the prison conditions in the Maricopa County
jail systems, and (we) are seen some improvements as a result of
that; so that’s one of our areas that we do target as one of our
programmatic priorities, is improving conditions of confinement, and
now rather than just looking at improving conditions –which is really
trying to fix the problem sort at the back end, right?– is that once
people are in the system we want to make sure that at least they’re
treated humanely. We are trying now to look at it from the front end,
just try to look at why even though we are seeing a decline in
incarceration rates in most states in the country, why we haven’t
seen that in Arizona, why is Arizona continuing to incarcerate mostly
non-violent drug offenders in our jail and prison systems. So we’re
going to be launching an effort to look at reducing those
incarcerations numbers, because it’s just not sustainable here in
Arizona. We cannot continue, we cannot afford it! We cannot afford
to continue jailing non-violent drug offenders at the levels that we’re
doing now. I think that at some point the legislature, regardless of
what political party, they’re going to have to look at that, to take a
serious look at that, and doing something concrete to help reduce
those incarcerations numbers.
"Youth and First Amendment Rights are other programmatic
priorities. We’ve been working on with a lot of kids, just educating
them about their rights, and it is really important for our organization
to help reach out to young people, tell them about our organization
and really build that next generation of civil libertarians. A lot of
people think of the ACLU as their grandfather’s organization, and we
are trying to kind of dispel that myth and try to recruit more young
people to take the baton and run with it. A lot of the work that we
have been doing in that area certainly this year has been helping
students form gay-straight alliances, helping students who have
been discriminated against at school because they’re gay.
"We just launched a couple of months ago a project that we’re
looking at the policies and practices of the jails in Arizona as they
relate to (inmate) pregnant women to make sure pregnant women
are getting the care that they need in these jails systems, and that
they’re not being shackled during labor. I think we all know that
(Maricopa County Sheriff) Arpaio has publicly stated it that he feels is
perfectly appropriate for him and his jail officials to shackle (inmate)
women during labor. We think that that’s inhumane; we think that is
unconstitutional, a violation of the Eight Amendment, and we are
going to be working with the legislature to try to pass a law that
bans the shackling of pregnant women during labor. As a precursor
of that we’ve been trying to get some information about how the
other prisons handle that, because the irony is that the (Arizona)
Department of Corrections actually have a good policy that prohibits
the shackling of pregnant women during labor, so they got a great
policy so what we’re trying to do now is see if we can extend that
policy, make sure that policy applies to the jails, because Arpaio has
been really inconsistent on these issues. One day he says one thing,
'no, I’m not shackling,' the next day he says, 'I’m shackling.' We have
a really hard time getting a straight answer from him. I think that he
should be held accountable; the legislature should take steps to
prevent shackling pregnant women during labor; that’s a basic
human right and it’s unconceivable that he’s doing that, and he’s
trying to justify that as a security risk. Which is to me (laughter…);
any woman who has been in labor knows that there’s absolutely no
way that you are going to be trying to run off in the middle of
laboring. So I think that it is terrific, and here you have somebody
who pretends like he is to be so concerned about the rights of the
unborn, yet here he is jeopardizing the rights of mother and that
unborn child because there is a huge… it is medical risk as well, to
have these women shackled in the middle of labor. What if there’s an
emergency and that doctor needs to transfer that woman to an
operating room and she’s shackled?"
Cases Againts the Maricopa County Sheriff Office
In Arizona, and particularly in Maricopa County, working in the area
of civil liberties advocacy inevitably means a head-on confrontation
with the self-proclaimed "America's Toughest Sheriff," Joe Arpaio, and
the more than controversial policies of his department. And so the
ACLU of Arizona and the MCSO are engaged in a legal multi-fight with
no end in sight.
"(Sheriff Arpaio) claims he’s not accountable to anybody except for
the people; that’s what he says. Arpaio is not above the law
although he’s been acting that way for the past 14 years. That’s
what is so frustrating with Arpaio; Arpaio thinks he can pick and
choose which laws to abide by, right? He thinks, I don’t like this one
so I’m going to spend millions and millions and millions of taxpayers’
dollars challenging court’s decisions that basically just make me
follow the law. When we get a court decision as we did in 2008
where a federal judge says (to Arpaio): “You are violating the
constitutional rights of pre-trial detainees in your jails –that’s what
the judge said– in all kinds of areas,” then Arpaio says, “well, I don’t
agree,” I mean, continue to violate the law, continue to spend
taxpayer’s dollars challenging that. And so that was 2008; we’re
now in 2010; he has been appealing that decision for two years and
that’s money (spent in the trial) that’s coming out of our pockets.
Rather than doing the right thing, rather than saying let’s try to fix
this, let’s try to make sure that these prisoners or these pre-trial
detainees have medical care, have the medical care that they’re
legally entitled to, are not packed like sardines into these conditions.
Rather than doing that, he just continues to challenge the (court)
decisions. That’s what has been so frustrating to us. We’re a non-
profit organization; I can’t afford to file a lawsuit that we can’t win.
We know that when we file these lawsuits that we have the law on
our side; that’s certainly in the case of SB1070. Most of the lawsuits
that we file we do win, because I cannot afford to continue to file
lawsuits that I don’t think we are going to win, and that’s what
happens with Arpaio is that all the cases take many, many years to
resolve; ultimately we always secure a win.
"What has been frustrating is that here you have somebody that is
completely –sometimes just even belligerent– to the point where he
just ignores the Constitution, ignores the law, does it in a way that
benefits his own political campaign he’s pandering, and he’s really a
huge tax liability for taxpayers of Maricopa County. I think that at
some point we are going to realize, my goodness, this guy is not
only a liability but here he is misspending taxpayer dollars in the
millions. Ultimately, that is either through the U.S. Department of
Justice or ultimately somebody is going to have to follow the money,
somebody is going to have to follow the trail to figure out how is he
or is he not misspending taxpayers’ dollars. That’s enough evidence
out there in the public record –certainly most recent 80 million
dollars– that was misspent. That’s a problem that I think at some
point either the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors or the
Department of Justice, or somebody is going to have to hold him
accountable. This is something that I get a lot; people say, my
goodness how many cases –we have seven cases against Arpaio:
he is the defendant in Prop 100; he is the defendant in SB1070; we
have a lawsuit on behalf of the Muslim woman (Eman Mabrouk) who
was prohibited from wearing her scarf in jail; we have the prison
conditions lawsuit; an abortion lawsuit where he refuses to
transport women who are seeking abortions; a racial profiling
lawsuit –that’s a big one– where he’s being sued. We are suing him
on behalf of drivers for racially profiling them in these crime
suppression sweeps; and the last one, on behalf of the Mora’s
where he basically profiled father and son (Julian and Julio) and
transported them to the site of worksite raids; that’s seven lawsuits.
People think, my goodness, you have seven lawsuits. Why is he still
in business? How is that? We haven’t done this, we haven’t had the
capacity or the resources, but I’d love to just have one person of my
staff just compile all the records and data to find out just how much
money he has spent appealing and fighting these cases, because I
think taxpayers should definitely know that and all that but, again,
litigation takes very, very long time, and if we can avoid it, we try to
do that at all cost; we would have loved to be able to have
successfully stopped SB1070 at the legislature but… that’s always
much easier and much cheaper in the long run, right?, than having to
fight it in a courtroom but many, many of the social wrongs in our
nation’s history have been addressed and have been corrected in
the courtroom. That’s what we have in this country. Where our
government legalizes segregation and then takes years, but
ultimately the courts do, in most cases, rule the right way."
The Fight in the Streets
In putting in perspective the complex and complicated work in the
legal arena, Soler-Meetze believes the struggle other organizations
fight in the streets by means of organizing marches and protests
against some of the same issues the ACLU addresses through
litigation is also necessary.
"I think these things happen in a vacuum (and) you have to look at
them in a holistic way. I think that many times litigation is not the
best option, that’s why there is a very important role in organizing or
mobilizing, I think that much of the backslash, the national backlash
that we saw after SB 1070, when you had thousands of students
protesting out in the street, an organized effort to boycott the state
of Arizona, that really is sending a message to the nation that, look,
we are not okay with this; this isn't what Arizona is about. I think
that was really, really important, and again, we have to do it in an
integrated way, and I think this is something that is we still struggle
with, we have to figure out how do we integrate our legal work,
which is basically our largest department, right?, how we do
integrate that work with outreach, public education, and
communications. But I think there is a very important role marches
and the rallies have; it really energizes people. I think it does send a
message to elected officials that this is not what we are about,
hoping that that energy is translated into votes right? I think there’s
a lot of great work going on now, and it’s very targeted, very
strategic where we now are trying to recruit and register Latinos and
think there’s some estimates upwards of like 13 thousand people. I
think that’s the only way that we’re going to gain that voice that we
need in the legislature, and in Congress is to vote out those people
we don’t agree with and to vote. You know, it sounds so trivial and it
sounds so basic and simple but we need the numbers and I think
that once we empower ourselves like all these 18-year-olds they
need to be going out and voting and working at the polls and that’s
not an easy task, I don’t think anybody thinks that is something that
can happen overnight but I think this is the beginning, when we’re
really focusing on registering more Latinos and eventually this is a
long-term process and as we see the numbers increase hopefully so
will the policies, the policies that share our values will also increase."
Eduardo Barraza is a journalist and writer,
Barriozona Magazine's editor, and director of
the Hispanic Insitute of Social Issues.
E-mail: editor@barriozona.com
Barriozona Magazine's editor, and director of
the Hispanic Insitute of Social Issues.
E-mail: editor@barriozona.com
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